't there to demonstrate about some obscure film. the fact that the ambassador was not in tripoli, he was in benghazi, that visit was supposed to be confidential. they knew where the safe house was. put all of those things together and the notion that this was somehow due to some film is ridiculous. of course it was a terrorist attack. >> the name that's been floating around of this supposed ring leader, the guy who is supposed to have been released from guantanamo bay in 2007, that would have been on your watch. are you familiar with him? do you remember him? would you have been aware of -- >> no. also, the justice department had zero to do with guantanamo and i don't know whether it was now today or not. >> i wouldn't even have been aware of him being released? >> no, he was in custody of the defense department. but the fact is that the alumni of guantanamo have resurfaced, whether it was during the bush administration or the current administration at an alarming rate. the recidivism rate is upwards of 20% and that's the people we know about, because they have either been killed or captured again.